The following is a transcript of the July 21, 1987 Flagship C-128 RTC hosted
hosted by Twin Cities 128, North America's only C-128 specific publication.
Our impromptu guest during this session was Fred Bowen of Commodore
Engineering and one of the co-creators of C-128.  I would like to thank Fred
for stopping by and "hanging out" with us.  Fred will be back on with us
July 28, 1987 at 10 pm eastern for a more formal affair.  Please come join
us this, and every week as we discuss using and programming the Commodore
128 personal computer.

<JBLUE> I wrote a program and wonder if anyone is interested in it
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> What does the program do?
<JBLUE> hi jenni
<W.BUSH> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Howdy Mr. Bush
<JBLUE> takes files from the disk and stashes them int the expram
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Shoes for Industry   Hiya sparrow..
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Sounds like something worthwhile..send it up
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> What does ??
<JBLUE> then it also swaps programs in and out of the 128
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> <interested..
<JBLUE> isn't Commodore comming out with one soon?
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> hehee
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Just upload it...I'm sure many people would be interested
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> =many people
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well if all goes right, you can ask the man who wrote the 
C= program
<JBLUE> i would also be interested in anyone who would like to modify it
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> exactly what is going on with that, tonight
<JBLUE>
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> has left.
<IASHKENES> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Again send it up
<IASHKENES> Hello everyone.....
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hello Iash
<JBLUE> I'll send iit up later
<IASHKENES> Whats the topic of discussion tonite?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> open session
<IASHKENES> Do all of you have 128s'?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> We have been talking about REU usage
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yep, I got three of them
<IASHKENES> Did you get your ROM updates put in yet?
<DEBS-GUEST> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Two of my machines have ROM updates
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hello Fred
<DEBS-GUEST> hi guy
<IASHKENES> I just installed mine this weekend.  My user group had an e-prom 
and we burned quite a few chips...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> you can add Fred to your name by typing: /nam Fred
<JBLUE>  what do they do now
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> wow- hot stuff!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> what is goin on, anything????
<IASHKENES> sta
<F.MORRIS> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well IASH, was just describing how his user group made
<JBLUE> does anyone else have an expansion ram program ?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> several ROM upgrades for themselves
<J.ADAMS> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hello Jeff
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> hello veryone
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> ^e
<LEROSENMAN> is here.
<IASHKENES>
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well anybody, i should let the cat out of the bag
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> hello IAS, see you are from N. VA
<JBLUE> what do the ROM upgrades do?
<IASHKENES> yes, arlington
<[Larry] LEROSENMAN> Hello All
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred is Fred Bowen of Commodore engineering
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> Im here in Fredericksburg
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (what cat Sparrow?)
<IASHKENES> The rom upgrades basically from what I can tell, give you peace of 
mind knowing you have the upgrade as opposed to not having them....
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> they correct rel file problems
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well Iash, they do a bit more than that
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> validation problems
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> indentification of disk formats...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> care to comment Fred?
<JBLUE> rel file problems?
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> nad more!
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> AND
<IASHKENES> I never had any problems with my old chips, but I wanted peace of 
mind....
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Which ROMs are we talking about?
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Are you talking the 128 OS ROM, or the 1571 ROM or 64K 
VDC chips?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> They is talkin 128 and 1571 upgrades
<IASHKENES> I replaced 3 27128 chips and 1 27256 chip...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> your favorite subject
<IASHKENES> Does anyone know what the empty slot in the 128 (near the 27128 
chips) are for?
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> BASIC-8 CAN FIT IN THAT SLOT
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> In one of my 128's that socket now holds BASIC 8
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The empty slot is the 'internal cartridge' ROM slot- 256K 
space.
<TIGLON.G> is here.
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> Hello Tiggy!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> But there is nothing "official" planned for it as far as I 
know
<IASHKENES> If I burn a chip with the basic 8 program it will convert my basic 
7 to basic 8, is that correct?
<TIGLON.G> HIya Gang!
<JBLUE> who produces chips for that slot
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Does CBM have any upgrade plan for 128 owners to (fixed) 
C128D, or must I sell te old 128 myself an get new 128D?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Any cartridge that works outside would work inside.  ROM 
cart. that is...
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Naaa- the 128D is not really an upgrade.  No plans for 
special deals that I knowof
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> The 128D is a 128 in a different case, with 64K VDC RAM
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> and a built in '71
<IASHKENES>
<DIVEMASTER> is here.
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Well, I have no idea how to open my case and change the 
chips. Do I have to pay somene to do that, after buyng the cips?
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> hello Tracy
<TIGLON.G> [hiya tracy!]
<DIVEMASTER> greetings!
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> The 128D hassALL the corrected chips!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> no, the upgrade is very simple
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> But your local service center will do it
<IASHKENES> WestSider, It is very easy there is instructions in the librarys on 
how the procedure is done, very simple...
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> Did you do yours yourself Loren?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> for a modest fee
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yep, I did
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Still seems more like an UPGRADE to me..
<JAMESETZEL> is here.
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (I have the chips on order (the chip is in the mail   hehe)
<IASHKENES> What chip do I need to put in the empty slot to convert to a 256K 
machine?
<TIGLON.G> has left.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Iash, I think you misunderstood
<DIVEMASTER> has left.
<IASHKENES> please explain....
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> The socket is for application ROM
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> the 27128 is the eprom chip, but it doesnt give you 256K at 
once
<[Larry] LEROSENMAN> has left.
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (its not like upgrading an EYE BEE EEM
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> You could put a large program in their
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> CBM's memory is bank switched through a PAL
<IASHKENES> Thats too bad, I have a few spreadsheets I use that are filled to 
capacity....
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> but it is not going to give you more Random Access Memory
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> A memory cartridge w/ pocket planner software might be the 
answer to your spreadsheet problem
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hey gang, does anybody want to ask Fred anything?
<DEB> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hello Deb
<DEB> Hiya!
<JBLUE> is CBm going to put a RAM disk for the expansion RAM on one?
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> How much is CBM charging dealers for Amiga 500's?
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (Hi DEB)
<JAMESETZEL> Will the 128 ever be able to run M/S DOS?
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> hehe
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I don't have any price lists here- I dunno what 500's 
dealer price is.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Sorry to open the floodgates Fred
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> CBM has no plans for the ROM slot in either the 128 or the 
RAM expanders.
<JBLUE> too bad
<IASHKENES> I have a question about the 1581, can it format cp/m, and IBM with 
programs like big blue does on the 1571?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> But there are third party developers that do
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> will CBM start supporting/developing software for the expanders
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Sorry, MS DOS cannot run with an '02 or a Z80
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (more than now)
<JAMESETZEL> has left.
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> I have an engineering question for Fred....
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> The 128 is downdardly compatible with the 64....and the 
1581 with 1571 with 1541 etc.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The 128 RAM expander disk with RAMdisk stuff is in QA- 
hopefully (he prayed) it will be available soon.
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> I undertad this is not tru with the aAmiga and the PC-1. 
Are there any aver-all
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The 1581 will be supported with a new version of CP/M
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> anything else in the works for the expander?
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> compatibblty plans at CBM regarding downward 
compatability?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Gang...as soon as Fred gives the word, i promise I will 
upload the Ram disk
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> I think the RAM disk is on-line over at Q-L.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> What's the compatiblility question?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Westsider..the 128 mode version of the Ram disk from CBM 
had better not be
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I hope the RAMdisk is not on line- it was to be pulled.  I 
just made a few bug fxes today!
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Is the 128/1581 as high ass compatiblity that CBM plans 
to go....then a total jump to Amiga or PC?
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> ass is a typo!
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (steno notes deleted)
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> There are no current plans for a higher-end 6502 machine 
currently.
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Loren, dont know which version, just rushed by the 
annoucemnt tonight.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Where was the announcement?  Who announced it?
<IASHKENES> has left.
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Somewhere in CIN, Comp. Comm, 128....
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> What do you think the public would do with a 10MHz 
6502-type Up, though...
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> Fred, is CBM trying to market directly through dealers, or are 
you also trying stores like Seras, Kmart etc?
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Fred, think your last msg got garled with steno notes 
msg....
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> The RAM disk software, as far as I know, is still 
confidential
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The 128 and associated peripherals go to dealers and mass 
market, like sears, et.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> at least the one from CBM
<PATECH> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> There are other people who have written Ram disk software
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Loren, think this might be a private vers...
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> Loren, sorry to get you upset!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, is there anything new on Devpak?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I'm not upset..
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> good.
<TIGLON.G> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> <- very rarely get upset about anything
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Just finished DevPak128, and sent it to QA today, too.
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> yea!
<H.LAWSON> is here.
<JBLUE> What's DEVPAK
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> (had to re-submit it for changes to the assembler & RAMdisk)
<TIGLON.G> (did ramdisk 128 get a release yet?)
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> PATECH, found an error in BASIC-8 manual (I think)
<S.PLATYPUS> is here.
<S.PLATYPUS> tdah!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No release yet on anything- not RAMdisk, not CP/M for 1581, 
not DEVpak.
<TIGLON.G> HIya Dan!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> soon.  (still praying).
<PATECH> Jeff, Give us a call at (201) 545-1571
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> In Nomis, et Pateris, et Spirtus Sancti...
<PATECH> has left.
<S.PLATYPUS> amen
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> looks long distance,   Ill send you EMAIL
<TIGLON.G> has left.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> oops.. left out et Fili
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, any chance we could ever get your ACiA card plans 
released
<S.PLATYPUS> maybere this means your wifey is having the son?
<H.LAWSON> has left.
<JBLUE> has left.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> for the hardware hackers out there
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Dan, just ask away
<S.PLATYPUS> question for fred?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I am still hoping the ACIA card can be made- either by CBM 
or some secret place on the side...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred Bowen enterprises
<S.PLATYPUS> yeh!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> (shhh)
<S.PLATYPUS> fred does cbm own cmos?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> ???? CMOS is a silicon process.  One of several.  Do yu 
mean MOS Tech?
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> CMOS is a process, not a company (complimentary Metal Oxide 
Semiconductor)
<S.PLATYPUS> I think that was the iddezaa
<S.PLATYPUS> idea
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Yes, MOS Tech is a division of Commodore.  Now known as 
Commodore Semiconductor
<S.PLATYPUS> needed some ram to fill up my laptop and was confused at the 25-30 
pricre tag for 8k
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (probably static vs dynamic)
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Dan do you have a model 100?
<M.TALBERT> is here.
<S.PLATYPUS> loren I pickrd up (cheep!) a model 8201a from nec.
<M.TALBERT> hey all!!!
<S.PLATYPUS> but I understabd thst many of the parts are intedchangable
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> You can get the RAMs for the 8201 and the Model 100 for 
much less
<S.PLATYPUS> my Savior!
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> Fred, can you tell us what else is in the works at CBM (since 
we have now seen the 1581 and 1531)?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> than that...I got mine for $10.00 check out Computer Shopper
<S.PLATYPUS> from whence??cometh the ram?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I got those 16K segemented things
<S.PLATYPUS> dLoren, do you remember where you bought them ? I have the shopper 
for July and I didn't see them >
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (dan, look at JameCo)
<M.TALBERT> does anyone know debs mail address??
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> DEB
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Currently nothing new is planned for the 64/128 line.  
Maybe a new printer,
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> look in or near the classifieds under Radio Shack/Tandy
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> eah, that's the ticket!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, I keep hearing things about a new modem
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> any truth?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> See a doctor.
<DEB> <its DEB>  ::smile::
<M.TALBERT> Does anyone know of a good 40col term for the 128???
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> beep beep, beep beep, beep beep
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yeah, I never listen to those little voices anymore anyway
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Actually, I think there was (maybe still is) some desire to 
make a modem that fi
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> fits the 64/128 and Amiga lines.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yeah..that is the one..
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> makes sense
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> 1200 baud Fred?
<MICHAEL.M> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hi Mike
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> Hi Mike
<M.TALBERT> What about Volksmodem 12???
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Well, if I were making a modem, it better be 300/1200/2400 
at least.
<MICHAEL.M> Greetings.  <late as usual>
<S.PLATYPUS> hi mike^
<MICHAEL.M> <==---Uses Volks-12 most of the tim.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Dan I can't go private right now
<S.PLATYPUS> ok just wanted to get your attention about the 100 , you got one?
<M.TALBERT> Whay do you think of it???
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, do programs that get placed in either empty ROM 
socket have to
<MICHAEL.M> M.T. - I thinks its a pretty nice/reliable modem.  No bells or 
whistles, but works very well.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> be copied into RAM or can they be addressed directly
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> with something like JMPFAR
<M.TALBERT> Hmmm...I just bought one!!!
<S.PLATYPUS> loren , either rom socket?
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> Loren, is a new TC128 due soon?
<MICHAEL.M> M.T. - Great!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The application ROM space can be addressed using the 
banking calls- yes, like JMPFAR.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> yep it is done and will find its way to your door by the 
weekend
<M.TALBERT> Do you know a good term prg??
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (Great - looking forward to it)
<S.PLATYPUS> can I ask fred how he might go about interfacing a model 100 clone 
to the 128 to transfer files??
<MICHAEL.M> M.T. - Care to go /private for a sec?
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> RS232 port? (sorry Fred)
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Dan I do it with a simple phone cord
<M.TALBERT> ya
<MICHAEL.M> (BRB)
<S.PLATYPUS> how?
<M.TALBERT> how??
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> who?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> plugged into my 1670 from the model 100's built in modem
<S.PLATYPUS> 8201 has no modem=>
<S.PLATYPUS> yet
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I simply use a term program with a buffer on 128
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> 8201 has 232 port correct?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Okay..that presents a problem..Fred...
<S.PLATYPUS> yup
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> software driver to spit it out 232 port
<S.PLATYPUS> tandy sells null modem package
<M.TALBERT> ok
<S.PLATYPUS> alsos
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> and connected to 232 port of 128 w/ terminal program
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> The null modem package is a ripoff
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> (maybe just a driver routine for the C128 to read it)
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> unless you must go machine direct
<S.PLATYPUS> ripooff , how so?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Because you can do the same thing via modem
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> that is if you have a modem
<S.PLATYPUS> zounds"!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> and the modem is more worthwhile having
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> strange logic I know
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> Goodnight all  -  Thanks for visiting us Fred
<[jeff] J.ADAMS> has left.
<S.PLATYPUS> you mean if I get a modem for the 8201, I can 'call' the 128 via 
its 1670?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Bye jeff.
<S.PLATYPUS> night fred
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, what about talking with other machines via the user 
port
<[WestSider] F.MORRIS> has left.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> without a modem..problems..suggestions?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The 1011A card is no longer made by CBM, but if you can 
find one, it's the best way I know of
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> There are other outfits that make similar rs232 
level-converters for the 64 & 128 Parallel port.
<S.PLATYPUS> maybe the kind lady from fresno , who by the way ... ahem, might 
help me locate one??
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Then again, I once used a simple 3-wire thing between an 
Apple game port and my 4.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, the R-disk software in its current state allows you 
to relocate the
<S.PLATYPUS> deb?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> interface page, where else besides Bank 14 can it live?
<MICHAEL.M> (back)
<S.PLATYPUS> got any omnitronix rs232 's leftZ?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The RAMdisk interface page can go anywhere that is not 
under a ROM.
<DEB> Dan ... no word on RS 232 interfaces yet.
<S.PLATYPUS> BT phone home!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> You could put it in the 40-col screen, $1300-$3fff, 
anywhere like that.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> But it has to live in Bank 1 RAM right?
<M.TALBERT> anyone know where I can get 80col rgb reasonable
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I mean Bank 0
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Well, watch yer terminology- BANK 0
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Right
<S.PLATYPUS> try new york times of today saw an add for 1902 for 189.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I ***'d up
<S.PLATYPUS> BT phone home
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> But it could not without a big rewrite live in BANK 1 (the 
real Bank 1)
<M.TALBERT> has left.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> It depends- a ML program could put it somewhere else.  Or 
you could extend commo RAM...
<S.PLATYPUS> time to nag someone for me!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Make that common (a.k.a. shared RAM)
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> You mean down low in the first page?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Heck no- shared RAM (means accessable in banks 0 & 1) 
currently goes from $0 to $3ff (1k).
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> It could be extended.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Okay, I'm sorry when I said page, I did not mean the first 
256 bytes I
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> meant that 1K block
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> How do you extend that portion of common RAM?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> It all depends what your trying to do-
<S.PLATYPUS> Mike you have to attack someone for me when she is in range!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> If you want just ML stuff, it's more or less up to you.
<DWIGHTS> is here.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> If you want BASIC to be happly, your options are limited.
<S.PLATYPUS> hi dwight
<DWIGHTS> howdy. just dropped by to get some education....
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> You can tweak the shared RAM via pokes to the MMU.
<S.PLATYPUS> kisse to deb
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> The configuration register?
<[Fafhrd] CCH> is here.
<MICHAEL.M> (waving to Chris)
<DWIGHTS> has left.
<[Fafhrd] CCH> Howdy
<[grey mouser] S.PLATYPUS> hi fagf
<[Fafhrd] CCH> (cough)
<[grey mouser] S.PLATYPUS> faf
<[Fafhrd] CCH> :-)
<[DALE] DSEARS> is here.
<AMIC-DAVE> is here.
<[grey mouser] S.PLATYPUS> had any good adventures lately?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, if you add common RAM
<[DALE] DSEARS> evening all!
<[grey mouser] S.PLATYPUS> ;-]
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> what do you do with the storage stuff from $0400 up to 
$1c00 if you have to
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> have BASIC alive and well
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> You attack the RAM config. register- $D506.  BASIC would be 
content if you moved
<N.WILLIAMS> is here.
<[grey mouser] S.PLATYPUS> night all
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> the start of BASIC text and the start of variables in bank1 
up higher.
<[grey mouser] S.PLATYPUS> has left.
<[DALE] DSEARS> Fred, are we discussing the ram expanders??
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Sorta.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> and then put your stuff in between $1c00 and your new lower 
limit for
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> BASIC text and/or BASIC variables (in BANK 1)
<[DALE] DSEARS> Is the ram used dynamic ram?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> If 'your stuff' refers to the interface page, yeah.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Yup- expanders use DRAMs.
<S.MISHA> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> so it follows that provided there is not an overlapping ROM 
you could
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> put it up high in Bank 1 or does it have to be common
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<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> It has to be in the same bank as the Kernel indirect 
vectors.
<[DALE] DSEARS> How is the ram refreshed when using the expansion port on a 64? 
next chance you get to answer!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> So sorry guys, I'll quit hogging Fred's expertise
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The DMA controller on the RAM expander card does refresh.
<[DALE] DSEARS> I.C.
<[DALE] DSEARS> no problem loren!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> So you thinkin along the lines of battery backup?
<[DALE] DSEARS> Read my mind, Fred!!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred can such be done?  err..easily?
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<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No- isolating power and things from the 128 (or 64) itself 
is one of the gotchas.
<MICHAEL.M> I think a better question might be...will CBM release Tech Specs on 
the units in the future?
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<[Fafhrd] CCH> :poof:
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<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I don't think anyone has thought of releasing tech docs on 
the expanders.
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Hiya Fred..thanks for returning !!
<[DALE] DSEARS> Personaly, I think that would be a excellent step!!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> It should not be much of a problem- we got a proprietary 
chip on it- not like someone could copy it!
<MICHAEL.M> I know a bunch who'd love something more than what is included in 
the manual which accompanies it.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I hear lots of requests from such 'bunches'
<MICHAEL.M> <smile>
<[DALE] DSEARS> <shyly raising hand!!>
<MICHAEL.M> Goferit, Dale.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Dale speak up
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> oh yeah REHi Loren...
<[DALE] DSEARS> I was just funning as to wanting some specs!!ha
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Well, I gotta hit the sack- think of what to ask next week?
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<MICHAEL.M> (Wish I was earlier)  Thanx for coming, Fred!
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Sack yep..we is not in Cali !!
<DEB> You coming back next week, Fred?!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Okay gang...Fred will be back next wekk
<[DALE] DSEARS> Thanks Fred will you be on next week??
<DEB> <<If so, we can do some advance notice!>>
<MICHAEL.M> <Really...this was a surprise!>
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Would help..been here earlier if I knew..
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Okay, now how do I get outta here, folks?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yeah, Deb, sorry this was impromptu like this afternoon
<[DALE] DSEARS> same here!!
<MICHAEL.M> Fred type: /exi
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> You told him..we could have held me hostage...